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Tuesday, November 09, 2004


For any blogger with comments turned on, comments turn the blogger on. Comments received are like the icing on the cake, the colek for the jambu or keropok. They enhance the pleasure of writing a post.

Mek Yam and UZ raised an interesting point. They pointed out that some Terengganu words are similar to Javanese words. Words like arong, jerang and jarang.

Arong (from the Javanese aron) lost the other meanings on its migration to Terengganu. The remaining meaning is to half-boil eggs. If you want the most consistent telor arong this side of South China Sea, you should go to White House, a popular coffee shop in Kota Bharu which is just across one end of Padang Bank. Any time of the year, the half boiled eggs there will be the same. That's quality control for you.

Jerang is to boil too but used more for water. If the English put the kettle on to boil water for tea, Mok Long Selamoh would jerang air to make kopi deka (another specialty of White House). Jarang does not only mean "see through" as in some kebayas or "not usual" as in
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"Misa Pok Od jarang bedo'oh. 2 batu sela" (Pok Od's moustache is too sparse. They are 2 miles apart)
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also means to wash/cool with water. In olden Terengganu, when Cool Fever(TM) strips were unheard of, fever was held at bay by washing the feverish person's head with water that has mashed hibiscus leaves added. Strangely, it is only jarang pala. At least I have never heard of jarang betih or jarang pala lutut.

I would appreciate any more Terengganu words that could have Javanese roots. Conversely, send me a list of Javanese words (with their meanings) and I will pick those that are used in Terengganu.

Ayoh tek (he is not 30 yet though) contributed these words in his comments: punoh ranoh, pecoh belepong, carek celober and kering ggaring.

Punoh ranoh is similar to punoh jahanang to the point that it can be interchanged without upsetting or confounding Mok Long Selamoh.

Pecoh belepong, like ayoh tek mentioned, is to describe something that exploded and break. Happens when you blow too much air in a condom or you left the bottle of budu Cap Bunga Ros too long in the hot car.

Carek celober is the state of the tattered condom and it is the same as robek nyek though not as bad. Standard equivalent is koyak rabak.

Kering ggaring is literally "dried to a crisp". It is drier than gersang, what ever gersang that you can imagine in this holy month.

Keep the comments coming. For the sheer pleasure of listening to Terengganuspeak, read Raya In Trengganu, the puisi written by Beta Blogger if you haven't done so already.

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177 CommentsOldStyle:
  • wait sebetor, pak ku! as i commented to UZ, i think the jarang in 'air jarang' and 'jarang pala' is the same as 'jaram' in bahasa baku. to 'menjaram kepala' is, as you said, to reduce fever by pouring cold water plus "daun2 sejuk" on head. probably the confusion with 'jarang' (as in sheer; infrequent; and sparse) comes from both words being pronounced the same way in trengganuspeak (you know, like 'pinggang'). but let me double check with my kamus dewan edisi ke3 when i get home.

    mek yam

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:55 AM  
  • hmmm i'am a jawa and married to a beautiful terengganu wife... eheheh how do we sebut "tempe" in gannu native language? tempeng?

    easy
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    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:29 AM  
  • your blog has given me an insight on how to understand the culture that is trengganu. my milly (mother in law..heheh)will be og so proud of me when i see her for raya...

    L

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:52 AM  
  • Haghak2 nye Pok Ku & Beta-Blogger buleh sipang sseme (or make collection of all these Teganuspeak vocab). Buleh gok nyer anok cucu kita esok2 belek nok belajor. Doh nok caghi duane kalu tadok oghang hok stark buak...

    By Blogger Jane Johan, at 10:16 AM  
  • wahlaueh, can use condom to illustrate t'ganu speak! respect ler. hahaha, didn't know that if a budu is left in the hot boot boleh "chetkaboom" wan. ;)

    By Blogger Buaya69, at 10:17 AM  
  • Being Johorean, I can't contribute much to your posts as my Ganu-speak is limited to eavesdropping my ex-housemate whenever she spoke to their parents, which was not much. But Johor's full of Javanese descendants and I know for a fact that "Ireng" means black - which relates to Arong I suppose hehe. The other javanese word I know is "Budek" which means pekok badok (hahaha am I getting it right, Pokku?) - which is what my friend always call me :P

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    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:18 AM  
  • pok ku, i'm from javanese descent but my mistake was that i never really learn the language fully. there are two different kind of javanese dialects, either it is 'jawa kasar'( low -javanese, phonetically same as malay language, peasant) or 'jawa halus'(high-javanese, mostly used in kraton palaces, urbanite & in most part of java). in malaysia, we use mainly 'jawa kasar'. the new generation hardly speaks java, only the elders know the language really well.

    FYI, 'air jarang' is different from 'jarang pala'. when a javanese says 'air jarang', he refers to plain drinking water or in layman's speak - 'air masak mati'(boiled tap water). 'jaram kepala' = is basically what mek yam explained earlier.

    there are some of malay words originated from javanese dialects such as gotong royong, which means "mutual help" and rukun tangga, which means "the bond of households". pok ku, can you translate that to 'ganu kite'?

    cheers!

    By Blogger 3six7, at 10:35 AM  
  • Dengan izin Ayoh Ku. Daripada pengalaman saya, tempe tidak begitu diketahui oleh khalayak ramai di Terengganu. Saya sendiri tidak pernah melihat atau merasanya sehinggalah saya ke Pantai Barat bersekolah di sana. Lempeng kami adalah tapi kami panggil lepeng.
    Orang Terengganu juga, pada pemerhatian saya, lebih suka makan ikan yang kecil dan tidak begitu mahal kerana yang "baik-baik" semua dieksport. Tapi saya rasa ikan pilihan kebanyakan orang Terengganu (yang saya kenal, termasuk keluarga saya) lebih manis dan berkhasiat kerana berada pada kedudukan yang lebih baik pada "food chain".
    Sekarang ni saya gemar makan tempe sebab isteri orang luar (Johor, asas dialek bahasa Malaysia sekarang?) manakala "ex-pat" yang bekerja dengan kami pula memang hari-hari mangan tempe ;-)
    UZ

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:05 AM  
  • Pok Ku I like the coffee at White House. When my Kelantanese friends balik kampung I would definitely order the ground beans. Maybe I'll write about coffee in he blog.

    Jerang - Isn't that a common Malay word. I use Jerang for boiling water too.
    Jarang- Yes for transparent and rare.

    for sponging during fever time I use Jaram. More or less huh?

    You can count on me to comment on your blog, always as long as the connectivity permits.

    By Blogger Lollies, at 11:15 AM  
  • Pok Ku..
    My mother in-law is a Javanese (100% pure). She once asked me to buy her a kilo of sweet potato. She called it `ketelo' ! Its similar to our ubi stele(keledek)...

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:51 AM  
  • now this is interesting! at least we should be really aware of all the laguages in malaysia first before we decided to take other languages ...

    for johorean (i'm one of them), some "wierd" words like lece (tilam), gobok (almari), saing (g skali), loktang (marah) etc etc etc membuatkan kita senang nak kena gu kita .. hehe lagipun johor tak de loghat ...

    i studied at YPM Kuantan for 2 years, but sadly i can't pick their language .. what a lost ...

    a johorean javanese ..
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    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:49 PM  
  • kawe raso kawe doh klik publish doh ... ilang lak dia (my earlier comment) ...

    bertique

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:52 PM  
  • Pok Ku,

    My mother used to word arong whenever she cooks nasi dagang. She'll say something like this - ni kena bawak tubik, pah tu 'arong' 3 - 4 kali baru jaddi molek. Can you please explain.

    Another thing...do you remember the words for koyak. For me it's soyyok. If you are tearing something then it would be siyek.

    Mok Long Selamoh tu pe ye?Berdo'ohnya Pok Ku...misa sappa 2 batu jarang...Another thing...my mom used to say..dok soh gallok banyok ngak..kek gi jadik bunga taik.Thanks for helping my bro, I really appreciate it!

    Happy Deepavali!!

    By Blogger Kok Bi, at 2:52 PM  
  • Another thing....if you feel like having Kope White House yang from Kelantan tu, you can go to Rasta Coffee Hut, TTDI. It's opposite Bumiputra-Commerce Bank of TTDI. The owner believes he knows you because I read you rblog that says you used to stay in TTDi so I asked the owner, whom I call Uncle Elyas (used to work with Shell) and he said "I think I know him".

    Anyways, that's besides the point, my point is they hv lotsa coffee there. Not only White House, other famous ones pun banyak such Tenom from Sabah, Kulim, Kemaman, Kapal Api, Hang Tuah, Muar, etc. You have to go check it out and you can have the coffee with biskut kering or roti benggali with kaya. Bakar on charcoal fire lagi...

    By Blogger Kok Bi, at 3:02 PM  
  • my boss is compiling loghat terengganu words and phrases, and i wish i could share it with others very soon. btw i am writing from kuala terengganu and it's a shame that i found this very hillarious as we seldomly use it at home or office, and putting it on words seem pretty naive. you have to listen to the native speaker to grasp the correct pronounciation / intonation. and i like the characters you try to introduce as they sound very local! keep it up

    By Blogger hj embong, at 5:11 PM  
  • Mek Yam: Ok, "jaram" morphed into "jarang" (as in jarang pala). Thanks.
    easy: Hardly any tempe in Terengganu but plenty of tapey.
    L: You are most welcome.
    Honeytar: Haghak-haghak ggitulah! InsyaAllah.
    Buaya69: It happens. BOTH can explode.
    Leen: Thanks for the input. Heheheh.
    3six7: Yes, air jarang is what Terengganunese call air mati or sometimes "air panas sejuk". Will think about other words.
    UZ: Terima kasih kerana memberi ulasang.
    LollieS: Thanks. Looking forward to the coffee post.
    Anonymous: Ketelo would be the equivalent of ubi stele then. Thanks.
    bertique: Terengganu call almari "grobok".Interesting.
    bibi: That "arong" for nasi dagang is "to steam". Thanks for the tip on Rasta Coffee House.
    Hj.Embong: Terima kasih kerana sudi singgoh.

    By Blogger Bustaman, at 5:23 PM  
  • Oh.. I like this:
    "For any blogger with comments turned on, comments turn the blogger on"
    True eh? :)

    Me - born & raised in KL. Bila masuk kolej baru ada kawan2 dari Terengganu & Kelantan.
    Sadly, didn't manage to pick-up much from them.

    Who would've thought I'd be learning Terengganu words from a blog? :)
    The wonders of internet!

    By Blogger Yam, at 7:52 PM  
  • Pok Ku,

    Just want to add to the uniqueness of Terengganuspeak, kita ada perkataan berganda tiga... contoh... tawor hebe llembo.... pedah ddesik wik... Don't know whether u people use the same words or not.

    Dan, peri pentingnya intonasi dan sabdu dlm terengganuspeak, "Ikang makang 'kucing" means kucing makan ikan, but "Ikang makang kucing" means ikan makan kucing... Cheers!!

    By Blogger mek teh berek, at 8:50 PM  
  • Mek Yam: Well said. Global village and all that.

    mek teh berek: Welcome aboard! Thank you for noting the perkataan berganda tiga. They will be dealt with in due course. Of course the saddu is important just as the context.

    By Blogger Bustaman, at 10:00 PM  
  • pok ku, i was cracking my mind of what the javanese words/phrases that my late grandmom & the elders in our 'kampung' used and i overheard long time ago.

    i think everybody knows that when javanese greets, they would say "Kabare wak?" (how are you) and the reply would be "Waras" (good/fine).

    some of them would ask "wes mangan?" for have you had your meal, and "ngobrol" for chit-chatting, especially for womenfolks, such as: "Ah.. aku kok ngobrol aja petang-petang ni"

    and there are also words like "ngeteh" or "ngopi" for having tea / coffee respectively. and mind you this is before the mushrooming of starbucks & others. home-made coffee and 'teh cap masjid' were the favourites.

    and when you already had your lunch / dinner, but you decided to have another meal again after 1-2 hr, javanese would say "mentong". sounds funny but it would means that you have not had enough!hehehe

    so, lets go "ngeteh" at our local coffeeshop.

    cheers!

    By Blogger 3six7, at 9:20 AM  
  • what about 'tirih' @ boco

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:34 PM  
  • I'm half Kelantanese, half Johorean. But both parents have roots tracing back to Jawa. A pretty good mixture, i tell you.

    About the language, there's Jawa Ngoko (Jawa kasar) and Jawa Kromo (Jawa halus). Ngoko is usually spoken among the commoners, and those are the language usually spoken here in Malaysia. Kromo is a high language spoken among royalties in Keratons (Istana) and religious people. Unfortunately, this language is diminishing bit by bit. I'm still trying to find people to teach me as I think it's a beautiful language.

    Oh, kalau tak silap, the word "Geger" or "Gege" in Kelantan (bising) also means the same thing in Javanese. And if I'm not mistaken the word "samah" (50 sen) also originates from Jawa.

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